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Wolfman Report: IT TOOK THREE DAYS TO REMOVE MALWARE

Tue Nov 9, 2010 8:08 AM EST
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By Wolf Wolfman

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Scottsdale, Arizona – November 9, 2010 –

I have a blogspot web site. It is listed in my bio on my column.

When I went to the blogspot web site, the web page came up briefly and then a blank initialize screen came up. Then a “message from webpage" came up.

The web site was effectively shut down. All you could get was a brief glance at the site and then the above pop-up was initialized.

Blogspot frowns on infected web sites, which is very understandable.

I went to Microsoft and Blogger for help. Microsoft basically told me to run Malware programs, which I did.

  1. I ran AVG
  2. I ran Spybot Search and Destroy
  3. I ran Microsoft One Care
  4. And I ran Malicious Software Removal Tool

They found minor threats, but not the one causing the pop-up.

I began thinking the Malware was in the HTML on the blogspot web site.

I deleted all my articles, all comments, and all text everywhere. I tested anything else that remained, and found nothing.

I decided that the Malware was not in the blogspot web site.

I decided to check the blogspot website once more, and when I did an AVG alert came up. The AVG alert identified the URL of the Malware, which was different at every check. The one common piece of information pointed to Internet Explorer.exe and differing process numbers.

The odd thing is; AVG alerted the Malware when going to blogspot, but it didn’t find it in Internet Explorer. The information it provided at blogspot was invaluable and pointed to Internet Explorer.

I slept on the information and decided that instead of trying to do something to the Internet Explorer processes; I would just take Internet Explorer out . I downloaded Firefox, and removed Internet Explorer. I could have imported stuff from Internet Explorer to Firefox, but decided to steer clear of anything from Internet Explorer.

The pop-up quit coming up. The wicked witch was dead!

Here’s some information from Microsoft, which I received:

  • Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:01 PMtech32

DON'T CLICK ANYTHING!!

this is a common scam that says your computer is infected with malware

if you click anything it will infect you with rouge antivirus

to stop it press Ctrl+Shift+Esc to launch task manager. then go to the processes tab and end anything named iexplore.exe or firefox.exe.

this will force all internet browsers to close then open them up again and do not restore your browsing session

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Wolf Wolfman

You might not need this information right now, but you might want to save it, in some way, for future use, if the need arises.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 8:14 AM EST
SS-CA

Sucks to go through that, as a techie I've dealt with a lot of this stuff (most would rather reinstall the OS and start from scratch, I prefer to root out the cause).

First, get a decent antivirus. I know a lot recommend AVG, and its a decent one, but still for my money nothing compares to the "resident" scanner of Avast. The resident scanner is the part of an antivirus that stops malware and bad connections before they get a chance to do anything to your PC, so in my opinion, its the most important part of secure browsing.

In this day and age, it seems many companies are making a deal with the devil to get ad revenue, because legitimate sites can even carry adware/spyware/viruses with them, and if you know what to look for, its almost always when the ads load (because they use java aps to cycle them, java can also launch these malware programs).

Also, always know what ver-batim your antivirus looks like, and DO NOT click anything that looks differently that pops up claiming to find viruses. Some of these programs are so big they even advertise on TV, but most are adware/spyware just like what they're supposed to protect you from. If you're less tech-inclined, leave UAC (user account control) on for Vista/7. At first I thought it was annoying to, but it really does stop and make you think about what you're clicking/installing. I have it off on my home PCs since I have avast, but on my work PC with McAfee (ew), I have it on.

Now if you're infected, what to do? Well, I can say its probably going to be a pain in the ass, but there are general guidelines to help. For starters, write down what you see, look it up on google to see if others have gone through the same thing. Now when you run an antivirus, most of the time it will find and delete the "cause", but not the actual symptom (fealt like rocky horror there, haha). When adware/viruses run, they typically go straight for the OS components, which are off limit while in use, and are damn good at hiding. So, boot into "safe mode" and run your antivirus (important!). If you don't, you'll probably see the thing pop up again in a few boots and have to start all over again. I would then remove any and all cache files as well. Hijackthis (as John points out) can be useful as well to help remove any residual junk.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:37 PM EST
cookin mama

good advice and thanks for the info, a techie told me to use avast and i love love love it.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:55 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

SS-CA #1.1...I have used Avast in the past, and I have it on a laptop now.
Thank you so much for taking time to give advice. I'm grateful and I'm sure others will be too.
This article will get clipped, saved, and be around a long, long time.
I'm going to put a link to this comment in the article.
We all thank you very much!

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:38 PM EST
Dr Know

AVG has an Immunize function that installs on the browsers. Prevents even GOING to some sites.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:16 PM EST
kjpxxx

this is interesting to me because since I switched to AVAST {after taking all the suggestions form all my Computer literate friends to use such and so] I have had more obvious results that a semi literate lay person can identify...Since I have used Avast I have had 5 [five] acknowledged Trojan hits while on Newsvine....."Bong BONG you have a Trojan, it has been stopped"...or some such warning...Never in all my years with all the other major virus,firewalls on the market...Only Avast has alerted me and stopped the attack. kjpxxx

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 9:44 PM EST
krishna-167929

on my work PC with McAfee (ew),

I have McAfee on my home computer (it came with the computer). Recently I had two serious virus attacks-- in both cases a full Mcafee scan missed them! It really is a pretty ineffective program.

  • 1 vote
#1.6 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:36 PM EST
SS-CA

McAfee is not only fairly ineffective, its also a bunch of bloated crap. Comcast gave it "free" and my parents of course installed it on their PC, I found it caused more issues than it helped. Norton's better in terms of actually working, but very bloated. Both differ significantly with their "enterprise" versions, which offer a lot of better services, such as easy deployment, better working with the network infrastructure, etc, so that's really where their strength is.

As a home user, I'd stick with Avast/AVG. Small businesses will probably benefit from Kaspersky or Eset. Medium and definitely large businesses will probably stick with McAfee or Norton.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:49 PM EST
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JohnRussell

I had something similar happen a couple years ago. A pop up says you are infected. If you click on that you are screwed. It is usually someone trying to force you to buy their phony anti- malware products. Of course once such thieves were to get hold of your credit card info who knows what havoc would be wreaked on you.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 10:34 AM EST
krishna-167929

I had something similar happen a couple years ago. A pop up says you are infected. If you click on that you are screwed. It is usually someone trying to force you to buy their phony anti- malware products.

I had that one infect my computer a few weeks ago. Its called "Security Suite Scam". (And McAfee neither detected it nor was it capable of removing it).

  • 1 vote
#2.1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:43 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

krishna-167929 #2.1...How did you remove it?

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:00 PM EST
krishna-167929

krishna-167929 #2.1...How did you remove it?

I didn't!

I called McAfee tech support as I am a paid subscriber. They said they would do it-- but for a fee! I was really pissed, as I was paying for their service (i.e. free updated virus signature files, etc). Their software didn't detect it-- and of course therefore couldn't remove it (several scans said I was malware free). Their guy in tech support said they could run a "special" scan-- one my regular McAfee software wasn't capable of. What a rip off!

I finally subscribed to a service Verizon (my ISP) offers-- they guarantee to fix anything that's wrong with your computer ever-- malware of any sort, and/or any other technical glitches. (monthly fee of course). I had recently had other problems-- so I subscribed.

I did see several "Security Suite Removal Tools' on the' net when I googled it, but I wasn't in the mood to try that...(I watched the Verizon guy's actions when he remotely took over my computer and went to work-- it took him a fairly long time-- Security Suite Scam is a nasty one. he also fixed two other corrupted files...)

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:37 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

krishna-167929 #2.3...Everyone here should note what krishna has said McAfee did. I have personally had bad experience with McAfee.
Second, it sounds like Verizon is an option, if you are willing to pay.
krishna, we appreciate your help and advice.

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:50 PM EST
Dr Know

For that scam, I used Spy-bot. It found all the files. There were so many copies I just went to the directory holding them and did a mass delete.

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:46 AM EST
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JohnRussell

People should look into HIJACK THIS and MALWAREBYTES ANTI MALWARE. These are free (donations accepted) programs that can help you overcome virus and malware problems.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 10:43 AM EST
Wolf Wolfman

JohnRussell #3...There are some sites that will scan your computer and then you have to pay to see the results.
I never do that.
There are too many free scanners, like the ones you have mentioned, which are the way to go.

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:46 PM EST
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Charlie Courtois

Hey Wolf,

I feel your pain.

I was infected in May or June this year and decided to just get a new hard drive.

It all began when the Norton upgrade would not load onto my hard drive in 08 when I renewed it. Instead of fighting it like you did I replaced it, and all is cool now. I rarely open Explorer.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:01 AM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Hi Charlie...I received a message this morning that some guy formatted his hard drive and started over.

That's a big chore.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:49 PM EST
Charlie Courtois

Yup, I am going to convert the old computer to Linux. This takes very little memory and ram and it stays real fast. You need to be a real wizard to hack it. This is going to be my Spring cleaning project. It will run parallel to my current PC as I have a Linksys setup as an additional firewall; also my Kindle works anywhere on my property as needed.

Also, my grandson can access the Internet from his apartment that we setup for him in a cement block house we have.

This is the last hard drive I think I will need....famous last words.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:04 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Charlie #4.2...I don't how you find time to do all the stuff you do. I never thought about installing Linux, but I'll check it out.

After you get Linux up and running, you'll officially be a "geek".

  • 2 votes
#4.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:17 PM EST
Charlie Courtois

Better a geek than a Microsoft captive for ever and ever.

I find it a crime to have to repurchase, Word, Excel, Publisher, and Power Point when I have purchase the license already (I thought I did) because I bought my PC from Dell and Dell owns the license; so they say, too bad too sad!

And, you can't extract the components and use it again on XP.

So, I will become a "Geek." Soon!

  • 2 votes
#4.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:28 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Charlie...Please let us know here, when you get Linux installed, whatever you can tell us about it.

  • 2 votes
#4.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:07 PM EST
Dr Know

Linux is easy to install, has Firefox and other browsers that look and feel like the ones on Windows. You can run Windows apps with an addon too.

  • 4 votes
#4.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:18 PM EST
SS-CA

Linux isn't bad (sorting through the distros can be a task on its own), but there are a lot of negatives to it. Namely the drivers issue. Many components don't have drivers in linux, and can be an outright killer for installing linux for some (its gotten a lot better though). The other issue being, well, it really can't do a lot that people expect of computers, namely run their favorite office suite (MS Office) or play their favorite games. Granted, there are ways around this, but they're not for the faint of heart (try looking at this forum, if it looks simple enough, then no prob). If you mostly surf the web (and lets be honest, most of us that's all we really do with our PC), then Linux is better than most OS's.

As for licensing, Microsoft sells bulk licenses to resellers like HP and Dell for a significant discount, but that comes at a price on its own. Many do not include re-installs as part of the purchase price (they get cheaper licenses from MS that way), but many do include whole-system re-installs, typically on a separate partition now. Not sure, but if you're downgrading a Win 7 to XP, at this point I would recommend against it. XP's been patched so much its an effing Frankenstein, and on newer (lets say, dual core) systems, 7 runs a lot better than XP.

For the license, you should try contacting dell and tell them your dilemma (don't expect miracles though). Even if you stick with the Windows OS, you can install the free office distributable, OpenOffice.org. The other tip being office live gives you basic access to their word/excel programs online, just no fancy features.

And here's a totally cheapskate tip if you really want to save money (for CA, will probably work elsewhere but not certain on education systems out of state)? You can get steep discounts from major software companies, including Microsoft and Adobe, by being a student. Well, maybe going back to school isn't worth saving money (if you're looking at the Adobe Pro Suite, it can save thousands), but nobody says you have to be a full-time student. Register at a community college for a 1-unit class, get a valid .edu email address, purchase the software. You can always drop the class, but come on, taking an art class never hurt anyone, and you may enjoy it.

  • 5 votes
#4.7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:38 PM EST
Dr Know

You can get a Obuntu disk .iso, burn it to a CD or DVD, and run from the CD drive to try it out.

  • 3 votes
#4.8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:53 PM EST
SS-CA

Excellent advice Dr Know! I forgot you could do that; here's a site describing how to run it "live" or installing it entirely.

  • 2 votes
#4.9 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:10 PM EST
Charlie Courtois

Thank you SS-CA and Dr. Know.

On my new PC I am already using Open Office. Microsoft's Publisher works on the XP platform with no problem. I bought a new PC unit stripped down from HP; it had Windows XP on it.

I have just decided to have a belt and suspenders. I still use Excel, Publisher, and Power Point for talks and presentations that I give.

Both of your comments will save me some time. A couple of years ago I read up on Linux and then got busy with other things and abandoned the idea.

thank you both.

Charlie

  • 2 votes
#4.10 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 7:03 PM EST
jiggs-502598

I've reformatted twice because of these things. It's a good thing I don't keep invaluable info on this thing. Gettin' pretty good at it! LOL

  • 1 vote
#4.11 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 7:15 PM EST
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owlsview

Thanks for making the owl a bit wiser. I have lots of security but methinks using my Firefox might be better than continuing with Explorer.

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:24 AM EST
Wolf Wolfman

owlsview #5...You are more than welcome!
The thing that bothered me was that the scanners did not find the malware in IE, but they did find it when I tried to open blogspot.

  • 1 vote
#5.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:53 PM EST
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cookin mama

i hate ie

and thanks for the info wolf.

  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:27 AM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Hi Cookin Mama #6...You're welcome.

Which browser do you use?

  • 1 vote
#6.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:57 PM EST
cookin mama

firefox and msn and i have avast, iobit and defender which came with the puter.

hate norton and mcafee.

  • 1 vote
#6.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:05 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Cookin Moma #6.2...McAfee site adviser came with Foxfire when I installed it. I removed it and they wanted me to fill out a survey about why. I cooperated, but they were very pushy.

  • 2 votes
#6.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:23 PM EST
cookin mama

yes they are they want your money, it is now with one care yick.

  • 1 vote
#6.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:53 PM EST
SS-CA

I agree, IE's just a pain. At work we're stuck with IE7, and heavy java sites (like newsvine) can take forever to load. Like the newsvine tracker, in a IE 7 browser, can delay for several minutes (and crash the browser). IE8's better, but still, Firefox is the best all-around browser, while Chrome is the quickest (I use chrome on my netbook, firefox on everything else).

As for norton/mcaffee, they have decent corporate solutions, but home users, I'd recommend the freebies AVG or Avast.

  • 3 votes
#6.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:50 PM EST
Dr Know

Norton has become "bloat-ware" for most home users. McAfee as well.

I agree about the free ware.

  • 4 votes
#6.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:55 PM EST
cookin mama

well i downloaded malware bytes and was clean as a whistle.

i like these articles you do learn something...

  • 2 votes
#6.7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:26 PM EST
krishna-167929

well i downloaded malware bytes and was clean as a whistle.

I've heard Malwarebytes is one of the best...

(My experience with McAfee and Nortion is that they are both inferior products...and, ironically, relatively expensive as well).

  • 2 votes
#6.8 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:45 PM EST
krishna-167929

firefox and msn

I never liked IE so I use Firefox. I like it, but recently someone told me that a browser called "Chrome" is even better-- anyone know anything about ti?

  • 2 votes
#6.9 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:48 PM EST
Dr Know

Chrome has switched its "engine" and is VERY good. It is a stripped down version of Firefox now instead of IE. I have switched to it for most browsing.

  • 2 votes
#6.10 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:47 AM EST
cookin mama

i will have to try chrome again.

  • 2 votes
#6.11 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:50 PM EST
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Vlad's dog

That happened to me on our last computer with Norton. It is exasperating to deal with this stuff. Thanks for the heads up Wolf. We now have Kaspersky and it is a lot better at protecting our computer.

  • 1 vote
Reply#7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 12:38 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Vlad #7 Thank you for the Kaspersky advice. The smarter we can get; the better.

  • 1 vote
#7.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:00 PM EST
cookin mama

vlad i found norton to blog down the system and to be way overpriced and got attacked alot.

  • 1 vote
#7.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:06 PM EST
my-pockets-r-mt

We use NOD32 on all our machines and it took care of the situation within an hour on one computer that got caught in the scanning mess.

I have seen it on my computer and as soon as it pops up I start control, alt, delete until I get the task manager and shut everything down and restart the computer (kind of what ms said to do).

  • 2 votes
#7.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

my-pockets-r-mt #7.2...We appreciate your information. Everything helps!

  • 1 vote
#7.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:10 PM EST
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Dr Know

I get computers like this to clean up all the time. One "friend" had 7999 copies of the same virus. In all it did take me 3 days to restore his computer (actually his wife's) to brand new. She was very happy. He thought it was a joke when I presented him a bill for $100. He has yet to pay. He thinks he can take me out to a Vietnamese restaurant for a bowl of soup to pay the bill. I do like the soup but NOT that much. Besides, I can get the same soup for free at the Buddhist Temple from the nice little old ladies there after I help them with things that take much less time and effort.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST
cookin mama

dr. know wow how does one get 7999 copies. just because he is a friend he should still pay you for work rendered. it is not like you gave him a hand raking leaves or some such.

  • 2 votes
#8.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:14 PM EST
Division by Zero

People just don't respect the time and effort that goes into fixing a computer. If you'd done electrical or plumbing work he would have paid, but because you fixed his computer he thinks he can get away with just offering soup. It's so frustrating that I wrote an article about it here on Newsvine some time ago. I've had offers of lunch, dinner, and sexual favors in lieu of actual payment for computer work. Needless to say, I prefer cash.

  • 3 votes
#8.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:15 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Dr Know #8...That just isn't right. These kind of people should keep in mind that they will have an accounting, when they meet their maker.

  • 2 votes
#8.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:14 PM EST
Dr Know

I have told him several times, he just laughs (he is in his late 20's). I no longer answer the phone when his number appears on the Caller ID...

  • 3 votes
#8.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:20 PM EST
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retired military ex republican.

Thanks is kaspersky a free program?

  • 1 vote
Reply#9 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:09 PM EST
WoundedKnee

Vlad #7

Kaspersky

Kaspersky, I've heard of 'em, yet at the time I was a bit leary.
I'll drop Norton and try this Kaspersky. Make my ache s and pains
disppaper the better I'll feel...

  • 1 vote
Reply#10 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:19 PM EST
Vlad's dog

rmer, Kaspersky is not free. We bought it when we bought our new computer. It has done a fine job so far. You should be able to buy it at any store that sells computers.

WoundedKnee, we really like the program it was well worth it.

  • 1 vote
#10.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 4:46 PM EST
SS-CA

If you like paying for Anti-virus, Kaspersky is one of the better ones (I like their business solution better). Still, if you haven't tried Avast or AVG, the protection is excellent, and the price is right (free)

  • 2 votes
#10.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:54 PM EST
WoundedKnee

hmmm...I'm lost with AVG the last time I looked

AVG was $29.99 for installment. What I remember

the same with Advast. just saying...

Kasersky, I just might give it a shot! :-)

Anything is better then this ??? " Norton " and the " Headaches "

  • 1 vote
#10.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:22 PM EST
SS-CA

Avast and AVG offer free and paid editions. There's really no reason to pay for them, in my opinion, the extras aren't worth it for average home users, and may in fact be "bloated" (full of unnecessary components). The free ones offer excellent virus protection, so you don't need to worry about getting "gypped" (in fact, most of the paid stuff is worthless to home users, so then you may feel gypped). They'll always "recommend" you purchase their software if you download from their site, but just say thanks but no thanks, and get the free one.

If you want to go with Kaspersky or NOD32, they're not bad choices, I just like to save the $50+ and stick with free ones that offer excellent protection.

  • 3 votes
#10.4 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 7:35 PM EST
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rottlady

Wolf, I believe MalwareBytes is the best thing you can use, you really should download it. I ended up buying the paid version, but the free one works just the same.

The malware you experienced might not even be in any of the programs you mention, it could be somewhere on your computer, just waiting to pop back up. What they are trying to do is block your computer from working until you buy their anti-virus program that won't even work!

Good luck, and by the way, I think Firefox is the way to go on browsers. IE has too many problems.

  • 4 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:44 PM EST
cookin mama

rottlady the more popular the more attack it seems to me.

those things are nasty, i have not had a box like that on a long time thank goodness.

  • 1 vote
#11.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 1:55 PM EST
Division by Zero

MalwareBytes is an excellent product. I use it in combination with SpyBot Search & Destroy to root out much of what can go wrong with a computer. For my own computers I also have full, clean hard drive images that I update every few months. If my computer gets hit with something from which I can't recover I can wipe the hard drive and restore it to a known clean copy that will only set me back by a few months.

  • 1 vote
#11.2 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:31 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

rottlady #11...I was planning to run Malwarebytes just before I decided to remove IE8.

I have a memory stick that gets used between computers. There were files on it, and it could have been in those files, but it wasn't in the computer when the scans were done. I'll plug it in during a scan and see what happens.

  • 1 vote
#11.3 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:21 PM EST
Dr Know

I do not know of a single anti-virus program that gets them ALL. I use a combo of AVG, Spybot and Adaware. Keeps me squeaky clean. It helps to have 'healthy' browsing habits. When AVG warns me that a site is suspect (either from the 'blacklist' or the algorithn thinks it is, I find another source or do without)

  • 3 votes
#11.4 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:22 PM EST
SS-CA

I agree, they have strengths and weaknesses. Avast has a terrible (well, mostly just insanely slow) on-demand scanner, while I love its resident scanner. I used to use Adaware, but the newer version was junk (I see they're back to a 5-star rating on cnet, so maybe they fixed their issues). Spybot's destroyed a few of my PCs in the past (it deleted system files); granted that was about 5 years ago, but still, hard to shake the experience, haha.

I still recommend Avast for resident scanning, Malwarebytes for on-demand scanning, and Windows Firewall. Also, just for the heck of it, keep an eye on on startup programs (I hate adobe and apple for their constant updates), you can do that from Windows Defender, or if you're like me, use msconfig. If you've stepped in doo-doo (ie gotten infected), then HijackThis helps.

One last thing I always point out: don't have two of the "same thing" running (many won't let you, but some will). For example, don't have avast and norton antivirus running at the same time, its just going to cause system instability.

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#11.5 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:03 PM EST
cookin mama

ok i have a question what is the difference between a resident scanner and on demand ??

thanks

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#11.6 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 6:28 PM EST
SS-CA

Resident is what scans while you use your computer. Not getting into too much detail, they essentially keep track of anything that's new or alters files on your computer, and scans that info for viruses. The emphasis is on scanning what your currently using, such as an internet browser or email client. A resident scanner will mostly look at any new files you download as you download/immediately after you download them, that sort of thing.

An on-demand scanner is exactly that, it scans when you tell it to. Typically this is what you need when you are actually infected with a virus, they won't prevent a virus you've already gotten/open. You also should use an on-demand scan for any files you download before you run them (many install a right-click command, so you don't have to scan your entire system).

So, for a resident scanner, you want one that's thorough and keeps up with your computer usage/internet browsing, and probably even has the ability to automatically disconnect known malware before they infect your PC. For an on-demand scanner, you want one thorough, fast, and accurate (low of false positives, but thorough). Many include both, like Avast and AVG, although you can disable the resident scanners if you like, but I wouldn't recommend it.

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#11.7 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 10:26 PM EST
cookin mama

ss-ca thank you do much for explaining it in terms that I can understand. So on my laptop I have avast which is a resident scanner and on my desktop it is on=demand scanner onecare once a month.

thank you so very much.

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#11.8 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 11:52 PM EST
Dr Know

AVG has the property to allow you to scan compressed (zip etc) files for viruses before opening. I showed several people how the zip file they got on Limewire was infected. SOMETIMES AVG could strip the virus out and leave the zip file still usable.

Resident scanning is the safest way to go.

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#11.9 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:19 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Dr Know #11.9...Thank you for a voice with experience. Hopefully many people will find something in this article that they can use.

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#11.10 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST
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Plantsmantx

I ran into the same kind of problem a few weeks ago. I don't remember what website I was trying to surf to, but instead of the expected page, I got one that looked very "official", informing me that trojans had been detected I didn't click any of the links on that page, but when I tried to close it, I got popups informing me that my computer was being attacked by...whatever trojans, and I needed to buy something called "Security Tool" to get rid of them.

Although the malware didn't prevent me from opening web pages, it would almost continually generate popups. When I tried to run an antivirus scan (Avast), the scan would start, run for a few minutes, then would be aborted. I did a Google search on "remove security tool", and got quite a few relevant hits. The first link I clicked took me to a page that said the malware could be deactivated (although not removed) by typing ctrl+alt+delete to bring up the Windows running processes display, then stopping any process that had a name consisting solely of numeric characters. I tried to do that, but every time I tried, the malware would put up a popup and prevent the running processes box from displaying. I clicked on another of the Google links, and found out that if I rebooted and held down ctrl+shift+esc as soon as I logged into the computer, the running processes box wouldn't be prevented from displaying. I did this, and it worked. I stopped the process and ran another scan, but nothing was detected. Since I now knew how to at least deactivate the malware, I decided to reboot without stopping its process, just to see what would happen. Well, when I did that, Avast detected and neutralized it as soon as it started running (I presume).

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Reply#12 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 2:22 PM EST
Wolf Wolfman

Plantsmantx #12...Thank you for telling us your experiences. The ctrl + shift + esc is similar to what the Microsoft tech 32 wrote in his reply in the article.

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#12.1 - Tue Nov 9, 2010 5:32 PM EST
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Wolf Wolfman

It has been three days now, and no Malware.

Thank you dear Lord!

The Malware was in the memory stick. I removed it.

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Reply#13 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:01 AM EST
cookin mama

yea!

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#13.1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 12:04 PM EST
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Student of Life

Just an FYI for those who might have run into it in the past or run into it in the future -

If the icon that appears when you move over the message is a hand, it's a web link. If it's an arrow, it's normally a system message.

However, JAVA can allow you to change the cursor to reflect what you wish (but you could check the running applications and see that the Java Runtime Extensions are active, and then your spidey-senses should be tingling hardcore) - so there's a more fullproof way.

Go to Start , Run, and type 'computer management'. (If you're not Using Vista or later, you can go start, control panel, administrative tools, and click Computer Management, or you can right click on 'My Computer' and click Manage.) Then go to event viewer and then system events. If there's no corresponding system alert to match your 'alert' Windows didn't create it. Then you know you've got a problem.

When cleaning Malware, safe mode is (used to be) your friend. That or a PE version of Windows, PE=Preinstallation (Think ERD) . (You can find them online, or create your own. All you need to legally create a 'windows from DVD' is BartPE, and the windows disk you're using. ((Note: I have not tried this with Windows 7, but I suspect it works as well.)) A PE disk allows you to access your computer's hard drive without actually booting into that partition which could enable the viruses, plus you can also install your favorite antivirus software/malware software onto the disk (just follow the directions) and you've got a great diagnostic tool that's read only, so a virus can't corrupt it.

The reason I suggest this is because many 'virus' writers create stealth routines that terminate and stay resident to 'hide' the virus from scanners. I used to use just good ol' safe mode, but many of the new virus scanning software won't allow them to run from safe mode.

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Reply#14 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 4:24 PM EST
Division by Zero

...but many of the new virus scanning software won't allow them to run from safe mode.

Which is something that I really don't understand. Why would you write your antivirus software in such a way that it cannot be run from safe mode? If I have a virus which prevents me from running anything in normal mode, safe mode is the only recourse.

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#14.1 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:29 PM EST
SS-CA

Why would you write your antivirus software in such a way that it cannot be run from safe mode?

Not having been infected in a while, I hadn't even heard of such a thing. Granted the GUIs have gotten more intense, and safemode cannot display a perfect looking app, most should still be able to run in safe mode. Also, resident scanners will most likely be completely disabled, but if they don't have a functional on-demand scanner while in safe mode, I would ditch them. I know Avast will allow you to run in safe mode, it will just say a few screwy things (like your PC isn't protected, because in safe mode many security features are disabled).

But good tip on the Preinstallation Environment.

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#14.2 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:40 PM EST
Student of Life

To answer your question why antivirus software doesn't work in safe mode, I 'd guess it has something to do with the 'realtime protection' that most virus suites run nowadays . That too runs on startup, but I'm not 100% sure to be honest.

However, if you call me and ask me to fix your computer and say you suspect a virus - I can promise the first thing that I'm going to do is put my PE disk into your computer - I'll remove everything I can before I start considering salvaging files or recreating corrupted system files.

I don't know where your computer's been, and I'm pretty sure you weren't practicing safe computing.

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#14.3 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:21 PM EST
cookin mama

SOL that was so funny

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#14.4 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:26 PM EST
krishna-167929

LOL :-)

It reminds me about recommended precautions re preventing a virus infection (i.e. AIDS):
1. Know who you are 'interacting' with

2. Use protection

The same rules apply when 'interacting' with websites...

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#14.5 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:11 AM EST
Dr Know

I tried typing with a condom in place... it was just not the same...

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#14.6 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:04 PM EST
krishna-167929

I tried typing with a condom in place... it was just not the same...

I've heard they've now developed condoms that are strong-- but also ultra thin.

(They allow you to have full sensations when you type! :-)

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#14.7 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:13 PM EST
krishna-167929

I tried typing with a condom in place... it was just not the same...

I've heard they've now developed condoms that are strong-- but also ultra thin.

(They allow you to have full sensations when you type! :-)

A word of advice though-- avoid the lubricated varieties-- they tend to gum up the keyboard!

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#14.8 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:13 PM EST
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Wolf Wolfman

Student of Life #14...Thank you for participating. This article will serve as guide to many, many people for a long, long time. If they don't need the information now, they can always come back later and look things up. That includes myself.

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Reply#15 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 5:53 PM EST
Shroggle

I use NOD32 from ESET (pretty good price for the subscription). Proactive, in that it scans automatically on (at least the memory) every startup, and will block you if you go to a website that is infected and automatically clean out whatever it is that tried to infect you.

In conjunction with that, I also use Malwarebytes.

Make sure only one is a paid for subscription. Two anti-virus programs running simultaneously are as likely to fight each other as try to stop a virus.

The other thing I do, is I've gotten into a routine: once a week I scan with Malwarebytes followed by a forced scan with NOD32. (Yep, I get malware on my computer due to some of the sites I go to, but the object is to find them before they start to do major damage to you).

Since doing weekly scans, I've found stuff, but I have yet to have my computer get to a point where I can't use it (like many of my partner's clients, who bring their computers in regularly for virus removal).

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Reply#16 - Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:58 PM EST
WizDumb

A virtual machine can help with this issue because it adds another layer of protection. I use Sun's Virtual Box which is free. Virtual Box allows you to install multiple operating systems on one machine without the need for multiple OS booting. You install Virtual Box application on your main OS or host OS (usually windows) and then install a second OS within Virtual Box.

I chose Ubuntu to install into Virtual Box because most malware and viruses won't run on Linux and it's free, but you could install any OS including another licensed copy of Windows. Once the 2nd OS (the guest) is installed, it acts like any other application you have installed on your host OS and runs within a window. I do all of my internet activities from within the guest OS within the virtual machine. If a virus were to infect the guest OS or applications within the virtual machine I can just delete that virtual machine and reinstall the guest OS. Reinstalling the guest OS usually takes less time and effort than trying to remove some nasty virus and I'm 99.99% sure the virus is gone. Your host OS will be unaffected so your computer will still be up and running and all your other applications and data will still be intact within the host OS. I've been running this way on my laptop computer for 2 years now without a hitch.

I still use an AV on my host OS and if you choose to run windows within the virtual machine you should use an AV on the virtual machine so you are alerted to any potential problems. When speaking of malware, the only thing worse than having a virus is having one and not knowing it.

    Reply#17 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:55 AM EST
    Wolf Wolfman

    WizDumb #17...Neat handle! I appreciate, and I'm sure others do, your advice. Your ideas are new to me, and sound like very good ideas.
    If they have worked for 2 years, that's another reason to take note of them.
    Now they are out there for all to see.
    I would like to see a comment by Dr Know regarding your ideas.

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    #17.1 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:07 PM EST
    WizDumb

    Thanks. I Just wanted to throw it out there in case someone was interested. I believe Windows 7 came with it's own virtual machine software. It allowed businesses who were still dependent on XP applications to install windows 7 computers but still run their XP software and applications. So if your running Windows 7 you may already have VirtualWin (I think that's the name) on your computer. If not you can probably download it from MS. VirtualWin will only run other Windows systems though.

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    #17.2 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST
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    Wolf Wolfman

    WizDumb deleted by request

      Reply#19 - Thu Nov 11, 2010 5:40 PM EST
      warrior wheatman

      Thank you all. This has been the most valuable find. I practice 'safe computing'. I use dial-up and have experienced the above cautions. Reformatted twice. Scared of 'free' software, can't afford to pay if I can do without. That said, I've avoided updates.

      But it just so happened that I clicked on the wrong icon, and yes, I updated and found myself with the exact same mallware effect that started this column. Pulled the plug sevferal times. 't Seems I was being invaded in the evening, but not late at night. Made note of several ().com addresses with the same origin. 'Should've sent 'report' when asked.

      So thank you, I have downloaded 'Mallwarebytes'. Haven't checked it out yet, but I guess it's allready working.

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      #19.1 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:25 PM EST
      Wolf Wolfman

      warrior wheatman #18.1...We're glad to be of service. There's a lot of information here, and I believe most of it is legitimate. The nice thing is: you can clip it to your column for future reference, or come back and look it up.

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      #19.2 - Fri Nov 12, 2010 10:44 PM EST
      cookin mama

      wolf this is a public service article IMO.

        #19.3 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:53 PM EST
        krishna-167929

        I agree-- this was one of the more useful articles (and discussions) I've seen on the Vine.

        A big "thank you' to all who have participated. :^)

        (And-- we can always come back and add more comments as we discover more information...)

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        #19.4 - Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:01 PM EST
        Wolf Wolfman

        cookin mama

        krishna

        Thank you both for your comments. This beats the heck out of disrespect and insults. We used to say "hate and discontent" on the CB, when I was trucking.

        Newsvine cannot only make you smarter; it can be more useful.

        TS Join

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        #19.5 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:42 PM EST
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        Wolf Wolfman

        My brother used the information in this article to remove Malware this morning.

        I'll post a comment in a couple days to report how it worked out, and what we did.

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        Reply#20 - Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:45 PM EST
        warrior wheatman

        Update from #18.1

        Norton blocked Mallbytes, reported it as intruder. Scan with Mallbytes showed no infection. Lost Java for access to IE. Norton thereafter on startup again reported the former intruder (which thus was resident ).

        I LIKE recover-check-points. All is well now.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#21 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:50 AM EST
        Wolf Wolfman

        warrior wheatman...Thank you for the report. The best part is: "All is well". That pleases me to no end.

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        #21.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:58 AM EST
        warrior wheatman

        Correction: I'll have to do it again. Just got locked again with webpage warning to click on (which I don't trust) :

        Webpage Warning Pop-up

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        #21.2 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:03 AM EST
        warrior wheatman

        @20.2

        I thought I copied the graphic; instead you see "Webpage Warning Pop-up".

        Are you infected? When can you trust such pop-ups?

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        #21.3 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:09 AM EST
        Wolf Wolfman

        warrior wheatman #20.3... Can you follow the instructions at the bottom of this article?
        It says: "Never click" Then it goes on to say press ctrl+shift+escape. Then delete all processes with Internet explorer.exe and Foxfire.exe
        Reboot and start over.

        • 2 votes
        #21.4 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:57 AM EST
        warrior wheatman

        @20.4

        How quickly we forget.

        Thanks again.

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        #21.5 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 8:08 AM EST
        Student of Life

        Just a word of advice (and a trucking analogy for the fun of it)

        Having two antivirus programs on your computer is a lot like having two passengers with maps. They're constantly going to get in fights over which roads should be taken, and which roads should be detoured around.

        Many times, they're going to blame each other..

        As a rule, pick one antivirus software program and stick with it. Don't run more than one at a time.

        As for which one ? In all honesty, that's up to you. They all run the same way - they use a virus definition file and search files for those particular lines of code that give away them being infected. They then quarantine the file (essentially take all of the rights away from that file to manipulate other files...kinda like putting your kid in time out. They either then clean the file, or delete it. Some virii can't be cleaned. Not many, but some.

        So for me , I pick one that 's unobstrusive (Avast + Bose surround sound speakers + volume cranked up for good gaming session + 2 am = my computer nearly getting shot that morning when the 'air raid' went off) , I look for one that's not a memory hog (Norton) and I look for one that's easy to update.

        So to answer the question 'which virus protection software should I use ?' My answer

        Use one that' you'll keep up to date and pay attention to. If you don't do those two things, then the name on the box is worthless.

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        #21.6 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:59 PM EST
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        Wolf Wolfman

        warrior wheatman #20.5...You're welcome!

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        Reply#22 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:21 AM EST
        Wolf Wolfman

        From Gretawire:

        XXXXX.
        Member

        get Acronis True Image and have it do a back up to your total system

        if you get melware or a virus with Acronis True Image you can be up and running in 20 min

        i used it for years

        http://www.acronis.com/

        $49.99

        http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/

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        Reply#23 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:43 PM EST
        Student of Life

        Two problems with imaging Wolf,

        1. Images must be done fairly regularly or you're going to lose a lot of data

        2. If your computer has a virus when you make the image, the virus will go with the image.

        Acronis and the like are good programs, (I use Norton Ghost, but that's because they do server based restores. Take a laptop, hook it to a switch, pick your image, and start. No disk swapping, and your laptop is ready to be added to the domain in all of 1/2 an hour.) But they must be used correctly.

        Unless you're operating a huge server out of your house, I recommend installing your software, drivers, and applications, and then using Acronis to create your own' recovery disk' and then using off site storage for personal files and the like thereafter.

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        #23.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:14 PM EST
        Division by Zero

        Remember as well that your backup is only as good as your ability to restore it. If you're trusting that your backup works and you've never taken the opportunity to run a full restore from it, you may find a very bad surprise waiting for you when your system crashes and you do have to perform a full restore.

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        #23.2 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:22 PM EST
        Student of Life

        Good point Div, and I feel remiss for not mentioning it now.

        Another good point is when it comes to backup media, take the extra time to do the CRC check during the backup. Granted it nearly doubles your backup time, but it improves the reliability of your data.

        Also, buy quality media for your backup, and set your burner at a lower speed.

        One last thing, don't do anything with the computer while it's backing up.

        Lower speed=less over/underruns=less errors=better backup.

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        #23.3 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:30 PM EST
        SS-CA

        For my personal computers, I don't really back up much. If anything, I'll keep backups of my personal data, which is far easier to do than imaging (even with images, I'd rather make a "clean" copy and not touch it, and backup personal data another way, I believe Student of LIfe suggested this as well). Images are great tools for enterprises that deploy a lot of systems, but Ijust go through the reinstall process at home. My personal trick is to have a separate "user data" hard drive, where I have my photos, music and videos are stored, and then use an external to back those important aspects up, like work projects or photos.

        I dunno, I personally don't find "loss" of information that valuable (stolen information is a whole different issue), other than losing photos would be devastating; I still keep paper copies of important paperwork, which I recommend to others. If I lost some music, meh, or if I lost program data, again, meh, not important to me, but that's my own opinion. I haven't had to reformat my computer is 2 years, probably won't until I get new components (I've been eyeing the AMD 6-core for some time, just not a good time in terms of cash-flow).

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        #23.4 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:37 PM EST
        SS-CA

        I should probably mention that at this point, I also have several computers that pretty much all have the same libraries, so I guess in a way I have been backing things up, although that's been unintentional. I usually download to my personal PC, then copy over to the media-center PC, and then of course the wife wants what I downloaded on her PC...lets just say our router gets a lot of work! haha

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        #23.5 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:42 PM EST
        Student of Life

        SS-

        In reality, you've done what we call an off-site backup. Good way to go. The only difference is that most companies don't play with their backups on a daily basis, but the odds of you losing something go down significantly.

        I'm slowly but surely trying to teach my wife that just because a computer gives you a folder called "My Documents" doesn't mean that's where you should put your documents.

        At least with Windows 7 and the library feature, I can set the laptop up to where she can look at the 'documents' stored on the server as well as the ones on her computer all in one location.

        Now if only my file server would push out an update that allows Windows 7 to map it properly...

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        #23.6 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 6:58 PM EST
        Wolf Wolfman

        Thank you guys...You are making this article a valuable source of information. I'm going to buy a computer in a few days with an Intel i3 processor. My son says an i5 is better than an i3. Well I don't know a thread from anything, but I'm trying to learn.

        When I looked up the specifications from Intel; an i3 was identical to an i5, but my son came up with different specifications from Intel. The i3 should be better than my Pentium II in any case.

          #23.7 - Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:52 PM EST
          Dr Know

          Here is an Article that describes the differences between core I3, I5 and I7 processors pretty simply.

          It is generally accepted that the Core i5 750 remains the best overall value out of all the processors in the Core lineup. The Core i5 750 offers performance which is surprisingly close to the Core i7 processors in most situations. The Core i3 and Core i5 600 series products are not slow, but because the price gap is so small it usually makes sense to go for the Core i5 750.

          It is not as simple as I3 versus I5. There are subsets of processors in each category.

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          #23.8 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:48 PM EST
          SS-CA

          When I looked up the specifications from Intel; an i3 was identical to an i5

          The i5s perform better than i3s, and i7s better than i5s. You'll have to do a cost/performance evaluation, so for the "best" deal, it really depends. If the system's are the same price, the i5 would be better. The i3's should perform all your basic computer needs without a hitch. If you played games or messed with video (even just recompression), then I'd recommend better. If you could afford the i7s, they are pretty sweet processors (I'd still take the x6 AMD Phenom over it with my own money though).

          You can do a quick-compare with the Intel fact sheets (easy to print and compare):

          i3 i5 i7

          The i3 should be better than my Pentium II in any case

          Ha yeah, without a doubt. Using that nowadays should be a crime! haha

          • 1 vote
          #23.9 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:59 PM EST
          Wolf Wolfman

          Dr. Know

          SS-CA

          Thank you for the links. I haven't ordered yet, and will read your links. Dr Know; I have read your links, and some of the links within your links.

          SS-CA I'm not ignoring your links; I just haven't got to them yet.

          I thank both of you, and perhaps this will be helpful to others.

          • 1 vote
          #23.10 - Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:47 PM EST
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          Wolf Wolfman

          Student of Life #22.1...Thank you for your contribution. I would venture to say your information will be useful.

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          Reply#24 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:48 PM EST
          Student of Life

          I've been working with computers for almost 20 years, and 15 years professionally.

          My approach is people shouldn't be scared of their computers, as the computers job is to make life easier for you. It's not out to destroy you...contrary to what some of my clients have thought...

          The best way I can do that, is to help people with computer problems solve them on their own. This gives you more self-confidence, and helps me (the tech) as it leaves me to handle the more vexing problems. If you can handle your own routine maintenance, then when you call a professional, both you and them know it's a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

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          #24.1 - Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:34 PM EST
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